Barabak: Is Newsom running for president? Or just desperate for attention?

Is he or isn’t he?

With California Gov. Gavin Newsom a seeming shoo-in for reelection, the political world has been obsessed with the possibility of Newsom making a 2024 run for president.

The Democrat has stoked speculation by repeatedly baiting Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, an all-but-certain White House candidate if he, too, wins an expected second term in November.

It’s hard to find agreement these days. Things are no different at the Los Angeles Times. Political columnist Mark Z. Barabak is convinced Newsom isn’t really running for president at this point. California columnist Anita Chabria insists he is.

Here, they try hashing it out:

Barabak: Anita, we’ve been going back-and-forth on Newsom for a while. In one of your emails you came up with a fabulous idea for a reality TV show. Since we’re sharing this space, could we go halfsies on residuals?

Chabria: You can have a producer credit, and a couple tickets to the premiere. I say we lock Newsom and DeSantis in a house, and whoever wins the most TikTok challenges gets to be president. Vice President Kamala Harris is welcome, and former President Trump to

But given the way Newsom and DeSantis are going at it already, I am mystified by your take that Newsom isn’t running for president. Do you seriously believe that?

Barabak: I think their pretty-boy competition for control of the powder room and vanity mirror would, by itself, make for must-watch TV. And another thing I like about your idea: no muddled Iowa caucus results, no debate over presidential debates, and none of that business of the electoral college overriding the popular vote.

But even so, yeah, I do believe that Newsom isn’t running for president. At least not in full-on mode.

Chabria: He’s paid for billboards on abortion rights in Texas, run mocking advertisements in Florida, pledged $100,000 to DeSantis’ opponent and challenged him to a national debate.

My teenage daughters would describe Newsom and DeSantis as “pick me boys,” desperate for attention and equally desperate to pretend they’re not. It’s Newton’s Third Law of Modern American Politics: Every loudmouth sparks an equal and opposite loudmouth.

I know you have your own scientific theory on this. So let’s have it.

Barabak: You’re familiar with Schrödinger’s cat?

Erwin Schrödinger, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, posited that if a cat was placed in a box with a speck of radiation and the box was kept sealed, we wouldn’t know if the cat was dead or alive until the box was opened. Thus, the cat was both dead and alive.

I think of Newsom as Schrodinger’s candidate: He’s both running for president and not running for president.

He’s definitely trolling for attention. And maybe positioning himself to run for president if the opportunity were to arise.

Chabria: He’s positioned himself not just as a viable candidate but as a hero in a time of need, when our democracy is in peril from a bunch of fascist morons in red baseball caps who are apparently willing to do a nouveau Nazi salute with no regrets. Newsom is standing up for the values of an America under attack. His chances, I think, depend on how much that fascism advances or dissipates before 2024.

If somehow we get our democracy back on track, Harris has an advantage. But if this authoritarianism, with its overt white Christian nationalism and real ability to curtail rights, continues to grow (and I think it will), Newsom has smartly crafted himself as an in-your-face fighter while Harris is stuck in Biden’s shadow.

Barabak:  I just don’t see him taking on Harris, a frenemy since their days coming up together in San Francisco politics. If Newsom did, I think that could prove just as suicidal as challenging Biden.

Here’s why: If he challenged Harris and she won the Democratic nomination but lost the White House, many would blame Newsom. Bye-bye future presidential hopes.

If, somehow, Newsom won the nomination, he’d go into the general election leading a deeply divided Democratic Party. Rightly or not, many would say it was unfair, racist and misogynistic of him to stand in Harris’ way. I bet a good number of those folks would stay home come November, or vote third party. Bye-bye White House.

Chabria: But if opportunity knocks, sounds like we both think he will answer.

Barabak: Agreed. Originally, I was going to suggest we get the The Times to rent us a mansion, where we could carry on this debate under the same roof, Newsom-DeSantis style.

I would insist, however, that I get control of the powder room and vanity.

Chabria: Fine. But bring your own hair spray.

Mark Z. Barabak and Anita Chabria are Los Angeles Times columnists.